Another point about guns. Today I was in a sporting goods store. The guns with the heaviest barrels there were Savage model .17 HMR. Now from my understanding the .17 caliber is less than the .22 caliber and not a legal rifle or gun to use to hunt deer. I am not familiar with the caliber or its use. But I would have to say it is for target or head shot or small target sniping at near close range???? The .17 to me would not seem to be good at long range because it would easily be deflected from target by wind age? But I will have to research this a bit..